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PostSubject: Need More ATMA   Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:05 pm

ok crew we need more atma the only way we are going to get this shit is systematically bring weapon that can do elemental ws so think like limbus and you may have to carry multiple weapons and sub sam just to weapon skill.

So what we need to do as a collective group is ensure with our group we can cover the list if not we need ppl to get the skills needed this may mean bringing a ninja main for the katana skill a war/sam changing all the weapons and so on and so forth.


Heres a list of most of the elemental weapon skills


Dagger

40 Gust Slash 2x wind damage (100 TP). Damage varies with TP.
125 Cyclone Area 2x wind DMG. (Ex THF / RDM / BRD / RNG / NIN)
290 Aeolian Edge Delivers an area attack that deals wind elemental damage. Damage increases with TP.

Sword

30 Burning Blade 1.5 fire elemental damage. Damage varies with TP.
50 Red Lotus Blade 2x fire DMG. Varies w / TP. (Ex WAR / PLD / DRK)
100 Shining Blade 1.5 light elemental damage. Damage varies with TP.
125 Seraph Blade 2x light DGM. Varies with TP. (Ex WAR / PLD / DRK)

Great Sword

70 Frostbite Deals ice elemental damage. Damage varies w / TP.
100 Freezebite 1.5 ice damage (100 TP). (Ex WAR / PLD / DRK)

Scythe

40 Dark Harvest Deals dark elemental damage.
70 Shadow of Death 1.5 dark elemental damage. (Ex WAR / DRK)
300 Infernal Scythe Deals Darkness elemental damage and lowers target's attack. Duration of effect varies with TP (Ex WAR / DRK)

Polearm

30 Thunder Thrust 1.5 thunder damage (100 TP). Damage varies w / TP.
70 Raiden Thrust 2x thunder damage. (Ex WAR / PLD / DRG)

Katana

70 Blade:Teki 1.5 water elemental damage.
100 Blade:To 1.5 ice elemental damage.
150 Blade:Chi 2 hits at 1.5 earth elemental damage.
175 Blade:Ei 1.5 dark elemental damage.
290 Blade: Yu Delivers water elemental Damage. Additional effect: Poison. Duration of effect varies with TP.

Great Katana

70 Tachi: Goten 1.5 thunder elemental damage.
100 Tachi: Kagero 1.5 fire elemental damage.
150 Tachi: Jinpu 2 hits at 1.5 wind elemental damage.
175 Tachi: Koki 1.5 light elemental damage.
200 Tachi: Yukikaze Ice DMG & blind, ignores enemy DEF. (Ex SAM)

Club

10 Shining Strike 1.5 light damage (100 TP). Damage varies with TP.
40 Seraph Strike 2x light DMG. (Ex WAR / WHM / PLD / DRK / SAM)
290 Flash Nova Delivers light elemental damage. Additional effect: Flash. Chance of effect varies with TP. (Ex WAR / WHM / PLD / DRK / SAM)

Staff

40 Rock Crusher 2x earth damage (100 TP). Damage varies with TP.
70 Earth Crusher Area earth damage. (Ex WAR / MNK / WHM / PLD)
100 Star Burst Deals either light or dark damage. DMG varies w / TP.
150 Sun Burst Deals light or dark DMG. (Ex WAR / MNK / WHM / PLD)
290 Catalysm Delivers an area attack that deals darkness elemental damage. Damage varies with TP.

Archery

10 Flaming Arrow 2x fire DMG (100 TP). DMG varies with TP. (Ex RNG)

Marksmanship

10 Hot Shot 2x fire DMG (100 TP). DMG varies with TP. (Ex RNG)

lugahoo

tachi: jinpu

winds day

proc-ed !!, red i think idk, it cause lugahoo to terror

proceed to kill and dropped atma


according to these JPs that been farming atma's they say that:
1. elemental WS produce the !! (red?) that drops atma
2. proc it once for highest drop rate. doing 2 times or 3rd times screws the drop % or even lose the !! effect after
3. not all mobs that pop in the same day produce same result. Group i went today did the exact same elemental WS on lugarhoo but jinpu only proced on the 3rd lugahoo. All popped on same day, so yea, random weakness for every NM is random.

how they did it:
1. everyone sj dnc or /nin for cure and survivability (yup even whm with club skill or staff skill lol)
2. have all weapon types in alliance
3. everyone repeat 1 elemental WS 2-3 times......gain TP on normal mobs, while NM pounding on people lol thats why get DNC or NIN sjs
4. use weak weapon, single wield even if your /nin
5. once u cycle through all ws 2-3 times, report your weapon so that your weapon type is out......go help cure lol
6. mass chaos
7. ???
8. profit! atma is all it matters!

I was doing this for my own use, but figured I would post it for lulz. Dunno if it is useful, but here ya go. I plan on doing grellow and blue later. This is all the confirmed Red !!'s from this post. If someone did not say what color !!, I didn't record it here.


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PostSubject: Re: Need More ATMA   Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:29 pm

What we've got so far:

Khalamari:
Grellow !! - Bio
Grellow !! - Aero III
Grellow !! - Stutter(Stagger) Step
Grellow !! - Dispel
Blue !! - Heavy Shot
Blue !! - Tachi: Gekko (twice)
Red !! - Tachi: Jinpu
Red !! - Energy Drain (twice)
Red !! - Jinpu (twice)
Red !! - Cyclone
Red !! - Red Lotus Blade (Twice)

Mangy-tailed Marvin:
Red !! - Tachi: Jinpu

Lugahroo:
Grellow !! - Bio II
Blue !! - Asuran Fists
Red !! - Tachi: Jinpu

Bakka:
Blue !! - Heavy Shot

Chukwa:
Grellow !! - Blizzard III
Grellow !! - Freeze
Grellow !! - Aspir
Grellow !! - Flash
Grellow !! - Drain
Grellow !! - Holy

Cuelebre:
Grellow !! - Aspir
Grellow!! - Bio II (twice)
Grellow !! - Water III
Stun?

Pantagruel:
Blue !! - Evisceration

Brooder:
Grellow !! - Bio II
Grellow !! - Stone IV
Blue !! - Tachi: Kasha

Mictlentecuhtli:
Red !! - Seraph Blade
Grellow !! - Fire III (twice)
Grellow !! - Thunder III
Grellow !! - Banish II

Gancanagh:
Blue !! - Tachi: Gekko (twice)

Grandgousier:
Grellow !! - Thunder III (This doesn't seem to follow pattern)

Yearner:
Grellow !! - Blizzard III

Mikey:
Red !! - Bio II (This doesn't seem to fit either)

Chasmic Hornet:
Blue !! - Tachi: Gekko

Keesha opo-popo-ma-nopo-wopo
Grellow - Tachi: Yukikaze

Tefenet:
Red !! - Koki

Meanderer:
Grellow !! - Thunder III

Raskovnik:
Blue !! - Skullbreaker
Grellow !! - Aspir

Lachrymater:
Blue !! - Tachi Gekko


MY guess? Every NM has a pool of 6-8 weaponskills and spells it can have a weakness to, when it pops one of each of these is selected.

There also seems to be some kind of correlation between the monster's drops and whatnot and its weaknesses, IE Khalamari has a pool of weaponskills almost entirely of dagger and GK weaponskills.

...

On the other hand this could very well be because its drops are for dnc and sam, which means lots of dncs and sams are fighting khalamari.

Thus if the weakness is just straight up 100% random, then whenever it lands on a dagger/GK weaponskill it gets noticed, but when its any other its much less likely to be found simply because no one is there to proc it.

IE, someone said heavy shot gave a !! on Khalamari

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PostSubject: Re: Need More ATMA   Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:43 pm

Khalamari:
Grellow !! - Bio
Grellow !! - Aero III
Grellow !! - Stutter(Stagger) Step
Grellow !! - Dispel
Blue !! - Heavy Shot
Blue !! - Tachi: Gekko (twice)
Red !! - Tachi: Jinpu
Red !! - Energy Drain (twice)
Red !! - Jinpu (twice)
Red !! - Cyclone
Red !! - Red Lotus Blade (Twice)

Red !! - Blade: Ei - Atma drop
Red !! - Seraph Blade - Atma drop

Mangy-tailed Marvin:
Red !! - Tachi: Jinpu


Lugahroo:
Grellow !! - Bio II
Blue !! - Asuran Fists
Red !! - Tachi: Jinpu

Blue !! - Arching Arrow - Drops Unknown
Red !! - Blade: Ei - Atma drop

Bakka:
Blue !! - Heavy Shot
Red !! - Tachi: Koki - drops unknown, going to guess Atma dropped.
Red !! - Tachi: Koki - drops unknown, going to guess Atma dropped.
Red !! - Tachi: Kagero - drops unknown, going to guess Atma dropped.

Chukwa:
Grellow !! - Blizzard III
Grellow !! - Freeze
Grellow !! - Aspir
Grellow !! - Flash
Grellow !! - Drain
Grellow !! - Holy

Grellow !! - Dispel - Siege Bow, two Chukwa's Eggs, money drop, no Collar, no Atma
Grellow !! - Blizzard III and IV - Siege Bow, two Chukwa's Eggs, money drop, no Collar, no Atma
Red !! - Freezebite - Atma drop
Red !! - Tachi: Koki - Atma drop

Cuelebre:
Grellow !! - Aspir
Grellow!! - Bio II (twice)
Grellow !! - Water III
Stun?

Grellow !! - Bio II - Abyssite, full item drops

Pantagruel:
Blue !! - Evisceration


Brooder:
Grellow !! - Bio II
Grellow !! - Stone IV
Blue !! - Tachi: Kasha

Red !! - Energy Drain - Abyssite upgrade unknown, mantle drop
Blue !! - Shark Bite - Abyssite upgrade, full drops
Blue !! - Evisceration - Abyssite upgrade, full drops

Mictlentecuhtli:
Red !! - Seraph Blade
Grellow !! - Fire III (twice)
Grellow !! - Thunder III
Grellow !! - Banish II

Blue !! - Sidewinder - Drops Unknown
Grellow !! - Stone IV - Full item drops, no Atma or Abyssite

Gancanagh:
Blue !! - Tachi: Gekko (twice)


Grandgousier:
Grellow !! - Thunder III

Yearner:
Grellow !! - Blizzard III

Mikey:
Red !! - Bio II (This doesn't seem to follow pattern)


Chasmic Hornet:
Blue !! - Tachi: Gekko
Blue !! - Tachi: Gekko - Full item drops, Abyssite unknown

Keesha opo-popo-ma-nopo-wopo
Grellow - Tachi: Yukikaze
Blue !! - Sidewinder - full item drops

Tefenet:
Red !! - Koki

Meanderer:
Grellow !! - Thunder III


Raskovnik:
Blue !! - Skullbreaker
Grellow !! - Aspir

Red !! - Cyclone - Atma, no cape
Red !! - Earth Crusher - Atma, no cape

Lachrymater:
Blue !! - Tachi Gekko


Ruminator:
Red !! - Tachi: Jinpu - Atma

Minhocao:
Grellow !! - Bio II - Vermeil Bhuj drop
Grellow !! - Flash - Vermeil Bhuj drop

Adamastor:
Blue !! - Arching Arrow - Drops Unknown

Eccentric Eve:
Red !! - Shadow of Death - Atma drop
Blue !! - Blade: Ku - Full item drops
Red !! - Cyclone - Atma drop

Balaur:
Grellow !! - Blizzard IV - Full item drops

Chloris:
Red !! - Tachi: Koki - Atma and full item drops

Lacovie:
Blue !! - Tachi: Gekko - Hachimaki, Galea drop

Depths Digester:
Blue !! - Howling Fist - Full item drops
Blue !! - Howling Fist - Full item drops

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PostSubject: Re: Need More ATMA   Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:47 pm

Red lotus blade--red !! on Briareus and Ruminator. Atma dropped on Briareus, and...

Atma dropped only to the mule who popped Ruminator and was dropped from ally for someone.

Ok went again today and what a success story!

We had RNG,MNK,SAM,THF,WAR,BLM,RDM,WHM,SMN,PLD and whatnot - 11 people total.

PLD and me SAM had stocked up on all types of weapons we could wield from octave club to pole, sword, polearm etc.

We ended up going 1/1 on Atma on Dozing Dorian and Lungarhoo afterwards!

In both cases it was the PLD that triggered the red !! on both NMs with club elemental skill, im not sure which one cause i had chat filthers on,
- but it was the same club elemental ws that was used by the PLD on these 2 different NMs and gave the red !! and Atma to everyone upon kill.

Both NMs was killed within 15 minutes of each other and as I said with the same Club WS to trigger red !!, so now im wondering:
Could whatever Elemental WS that is needed to trigger the !! be in correspondance to a particular elemental day or moon phase? And not be NM specific whatsoever?


Just speculating since im happy now I got my Atma but trying to help others

I think its safe to say that its already been established that whatever elemental ws needed to trigger !! is not NM specific, since earlier reports of WSs used to trigger !! on Dozing Dorian never worked on earlier runs for us.

Turul - Tachi: Koki - Red !! - Atma
Turul - Blizzaga3 - Grellow !! - Belt, Cape, Amph Hide
(both !! on same Turul)
Eve - Tachi: Jinpu - Red !! - Atma
Kukulkan - Energy Drain - Red !! - Atma
Raskovnik - Raiden Thrust - Red !! - Atma

Edit: Fixed WS on Kukulkan. It was Energy Drain, not Energy Steal.

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PostSubject: Re: Need More ATMA   Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:53 am

What I've discerned through rummaging through this thread:

Grellow !! (Greenish Yellow) = (Common drops/AF3 items - Magic Spell)
Any magic spell with the exception of those 76+, merited enfeebles, and single-target tier 1's and 2's.


Blue !! (Rare items - Physical Weapon Skills)
Any non-red !! weaponskill whose skill ranges from 150-289.


Red !! (Key items - Magical Weapon Skills)
-Club-
* Seraph Strike
-Dagger-
* Cyclone
* Energy Drain
-Great Katana-
* Tachi: Goten
* Tachi: Jinpu
* Tachi: Kagero
* Tachi: Koki
-Great Sword-
* Freezebite
-Katana-
* Blade: Chi
* Blade: Ei
* Blade: Tekki
* Blade: To

-Polearm-
* Raiden Thrust
-Scythe-
* Shadow of Death
-Staff-
* Sunburst
* Earth Crusher
-Sword-
* Red Lotus Blade
* Seraph Blade


Please help me eliminate any inaccuracies and what not.

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PostSubject: Re: Need More ATMA   Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:56 pm

Okay, mystery solved then. Nynja's day relations thing looks right.

Grellow !! = Spell of an element corresponding to the day before, of, or after the day the NM was popped. - Use these to force more seals to drop, crafting items, or AF3+2 items. Seems to give approximately 2 more slots for seals / AF3+2 items to drop in.

Red !! = Freezebite, Cyclone, Energy Drain, Earth Crusher, Starburst, Seraph Blade, Red Lotus Blade, Seraph Strike, Raiden Thrust, Shadow of Death, Blade: Ei, Tachi: Jinpu, or Tachi: Koki - Use to force a key item drop. Atma, Abyssite, or Tier 2 NM pop item.

Blue !! = Who the shit knows. Analysis inc probably. - Increases the drop rate of a "Rare" ~10% drop pretty dramatically, but not to 100% even with TH.

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PostSubject: Re: Need More ATMA   Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:29 pm



This is NOT a final list, but it is the one I present to my LS for testing. It's very likely a bunch of them aren't triggers, but until we're damned sure, it's what we use.



(It's arranged to the "day of week" theory obviously)

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PostSubject: Re: Need More ATMA   Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:40 am

Wiki has a detailed listing now of Atmas:

Even ovni has one worth getting Magic acc Major is sexi

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Atma

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PostSubject: Re: Need More ATMA   Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:29 pm

Added for necessity

Minimum needed to do everything:
(1)BLU/NIN
(2)BLM/RDM
(3)WHM/BRD

Code:

light (3)holy (3)bnish2 (3)baish3 (3)banga2 (3)flash (3)brddrk (1)RdintBreath (1)1000Needles
dark (2)bio2 (2)aspir (2)dispel (2)drain (1)kura:Ni (3)brdlght (1)DeathRay (1)EyesOnMe
fire (2)fire3 (2)fire4 (2)firaga3 (2)flare (1)nin:ni (3)brdice (1)HeatBreath (1)Firespit
earth (2)stone3 (2)stone4 (2)stonga3 (2)quake (1)nin:ni (3)brdltng (1)MagnCloud (1)Seedspray
water (2)water3 (2)water (2)watga3 (2)flood (1)nin:ni (3)brdfire (1)Maelstrom (1)Regurgitation
wind (2)aero3 (2)aero4 (2)aeroga3 (2)trndo (1)nin:ni (3)brderth (1)HctombWave (1)MysteriousLight
ice (2)bliz3 (2)bliz4 (2)blizga3 (2)freeze (1)nin:ni (3)brdwind (1)FrostBreath (1)IceBreak
ltning (2)thu3 (2)thun4 (2)thunga3 (2)burst (1)nin:ni (3)brdwtr (1)mindblast (1)Blitzstrahl

That's the bare minimum of course, now if a group like that can even kill anything is another story

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PostSubject: Re: Need More ATMA   Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:31 pm

^ Second this. if someone needs a basic template, here's one you can tweak that I'm using atm:

Attempting to proc a !! while stunned from a Red !! will not work
Attempting to proc !! while the monster is stunned using a TP move/Casting will not work
Attempting to proc !! on a stunned monster that was only auto attacking (sans iron giant attacks) WILL work


GRELLOW (DAY BEFORE + CURRENT DAY + DAY AFTER) :

Lightsday: Holy, Banish 2, Banish 3, Banishga 2, Flash, Dark Threnody, Radiant Breath, 1000 Needles
Darksday: Bio 2, Aspir, Dispel , Drain, Kurayami:Ni, Light Threnody, Death Ray, Eyes On Me
Firesday: Fire 3, Fire 4, Firaga 3, Flare, Katon:Ni, Ice Threnody, Heat Breath, Firespit
Earthsday: Stone 3, Stone 4, Stonega 3, Quake, Doton:Ni, Lightning Threnody, Magnetite Cloud, Seedspray
Watersday: Water 3, Water 4, Waterga 3, Flood, Suiton:Ni, Fire Threnody, Maelstrom, Regurgitation
Windsday: Aero 3, Aero 4, Aeroga 3, Tornado, Huton:Ni, Earth Threnody, Hecatomb Wave, Mysterious Light
Icesday: Blizzard 3, Blizzard 4, Blizzaga 3, Freeze, Hyoton:Ni, Wind Threnody, Frost Breath, Ice Break
Lightningsday: Thuder 3, Thunder 4, Thundaga 3, Burst, Raiton:Ni, Water Threnody, Mind blast, Blitzstrahl


BLUE (RARE ITEM DROP):

6:00-14:00 - Piercing
Dagger: Shadowstitch(70), Dancing Edge(200), Shark Bite(225), Evisceration(230)
Polearm: Skewer(200), Wheeling Thrust(225), Impulse Drive(240)
Archery: Sidewinder(175), Blast Arrow(200), Arching Arrow(225), Empyreal Arrow(250)
Crossbow: Slug Shot(175), Blast Shot(200), Heavy Shot(225), Detonator(250)

14:00-22:00 - Slashing
Sword: Vorpal Blade(200), Swift Blade(225), Savage Blade(240)
G.sword: Spinning Slash(225), Ground Strike(250)
Axe: Mistral Axe(225), Decimation(240)
G.axe: Full Break(225), Steel Cyclone(240)
Scythe: Cross Reaper (225), Spiral Hell(240)
Katana: Blade: Ten(225), Blade: Ku(250)
G.katana: Tachi: Gekko(225), Tachi: Kasha(250)

22:00-6:00 - Blunt
H2h: Raging Fists(125), Spinning Attack(150), Howling Fist(200), Dragon Kick(225), Asuran Fists(250)
Club: Skullbreaker(150), True Strike(175), Judgement(200), Hexa Strike(220), Black Halo(230)
Staff: Heavy Swing(5), Shell Crusher(175), Full Swing(200), Spirit Taker(215), Retribution(230)

RED (ATMA / KEY ITEM DROP):

Dagger : Cyclone / Energy Drain
Sword : Red Lotus Blade / Seraph Blade
Great Sword : Freezebite
Scythe : Shadow of Death
Polearm : Raiden Thrust
Katana : Blade: Ei
Great Katana : Tachi: Jinpu / Tachi: Koki
Club : Seraph Strike
Staff : Earth Crusher / Sunburst

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PostSubject: Re: Need More ATMA   Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:08 pm

So you can only proc atma while a mob is only auto attacking and not stunned....... So ws during mobs tp moves and casting or if stunned will not proc it must be done over again.

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